AGAINST ME INTERVIEW - With bassist Andrew Seward

“Tom started this band on his own to begin with, just him and a guitar, knockin’ out his special brand of agitated acoustic rock.  He’s the man with the words and it’s great to be in a band with him.  He draws on personal references and it’s the best way, sing about what you know that’s what Hank Williams always said and we live by that,” gleams bassist Andrew Seward.  When 17 year old vocalist Tom Gabel first set out to deliver a fresh level of solo rock optimism in Florida 10 years ago, it was the beginnings of something truly organic.  A guitar and stool troubadourship around local bars and even college laundromats in Gainesville under the Against Me! moniker, he began implementing himself as a new punk guerrilla, belting out songs of rebellion infused with blues and alternative folk, all genuine statements of intent.  It was a rocky trail that would win few friends at the time but it would ultimately lead him into the creation of one of today’s most distinctive modern punk bands.  “We’re just normal people who just wanna work at what we do best; get recording, get playing, do it well and do it all the time because we want nothing to be stagnant, always on our toes,” continues Seward and who can blame them.  They’re at their most vital on the road and with a four-piece such as this – completed by drummer Warren Oakes and James Bowman on guitar – Against Me! are a strikingly fearsome force to be reckoned with.  “We’ve been on tour for so long now but it’s cool because everything’s been gradual, no sudden leaps or bounds in change or progression overnight.  That’s the crazy thing for us and it doesn’t affect you as much doing it that way.  Some bands will be playing to 50 people one night, release a big album then return to that same gig and they’ll be 5000, that’s a mindf**k!  Last time we played De Moins there were 200, tonight there’ll be about 500, that’s how we do it.”  

 

It’s a testament to the heart and soul of a band that having just released a monstrous new major label opus, they remain true to the values instilled by their lead singers’ original preconceptions.  The early years for Gabel would deliver two demo tapes and an E.P before, in collaboration with drummer Kevin Mahon, the widely successful ‘Crime As Forgiven’ was written; a four song 7” followed by a six track CD on Plan-It-X Records that is actually considered to be some of their best work.  Another acoustic EP emerged with Dustin Fridkin on bass before Mahon left the band to be replaced by Warren Oakes and second guitarist Bowman came on board.   At this point the unit shifted up a gear and with the influx of electricity to the guitars, they became louder; garnering their loose mix of political alt-folk and hardcore punk.  It was exciting times for Gabel in particular, who was beginning to see the fruits of his endeavours.  2002 saw the release of their first full length album ‘Reinventing Axl Rose’ through No Idea Records, which featured 5 new tracks and 6 re-recorded from the aforementioned EPs.  It was a more recognisable sound that held true to its pure punk intelligence, marking a subtle transition toward mainstream expectation.  Featuring the notorious ‘Baby, I’m an Anarchist’ the intentions were clear and their progression bold yet considered.  Seward acknowledges “I love all the early stuff, just guitar and drums with no cymbals or just a guitar and bass. They recorded the first album in 2 days and I love it because it’s so raw.  It has no polish ‘cos there was no time for polish and the sound has evolved a lot since then, though it doesn’t seem like it to us, it’s been so natural.  If you step back and look at what you’ve achieved, you realise how things have evolved almost unnoticed.”

 

It’s this steady growth plan that has marked out their ascendancy and following the underground success of ‘Reinventing…’, the band recorded a further 3-song EP titled ‘Disco before the breakdown’, featuring a ska style horn section, courtesy of friends and musicians from No Idea.  It was here that bassist Fridkin left the band and Seward stepped into his boots, though through slightly unconventional or perhaps perfectly acceptable methods.  “I joined in the summer of 2002, two weeks before we recorded ‘Disco…’.  I met Tom while I was touring with another band but we stayed in touch and when that band dissolved, I sent him a drunken email which pretty much said “hey, kick out your bass player and sign me up!”  It was a total joke, a stab in the dark but amazingly he replied “really, he’s leaving to go to college so if you can get down to Florida you’re in.”  I was always a fan of the band, so I consider myself to be one lucky bastard.”  A fortunate enquiry indeed but one that would provide the bands missing ingredient, complementing perfectly a pulsating unit dead set on maintaining its momentum and pummelling everything that dare to cross its path. 

 

The next stepping stone came in the form of second full length ‘As the Eternal Cowboy’ on Fat Wreck in 2003.  An essentially more varied album than its predecessors that hangs together perfectly with an upbeat positivity that’s the perfect antidote to the negativity surrounding its release.  Full of Billy Braggisms and shards of the Dropkick Muprhy’s, the dirty gravel vocal leads the line perfectly and for the first time, Gabel adopted a sincere smoothness that pushed the release into some un-chartered commercial territory.  Though now into their sixth label relationship, Seward and co hold no grudges or regrets, only good times.  “We’re still best friends with all our previous record labels.  We still hang out with guys from No Idea, Fat Mike in San Francisco.; they’re all proud and want the best for us.  God bless them for that”.

 

There was a concern with this release that extra and improved production would dilute the appeal and to a degree, it brought segregation in the fanbase but for the band, it was all relative and part of their natural evolution.  With the second album on Fat Wreck appearing two years later, ‘Searching for a Former Clarity’ was a grower; clever yet never dull, witty yet never adolescent, it seemed to bridge the gap between their debut and the self-alienated fan base following ‘…Eternal Cowboy’. 

 

Later that year it was announced the band were to sign a deal with Sire Records, a natural and perfectly understandable transition given the bands growing appeal and potential, but one that would cause the most unrest within their fast becoming fickle audience; the hoards’ sighting it as a move away from their original anti-capitalist ethics.  Some remained supportive but those claiming to be long time fans are not its safe to say, on this crews’ Christmas card list.  “People will always latch on to a bands’ decisions and fortunes.  Its one of the biggest clichés for people now to say oh yeah I love your old stuff, we understand how that goes.  Can you imagine if they just listen to the first Clash album or ‘Red roses for me’ by the Pogues, they’ll miss out on all sorts of other great works.  Some people really show there true colours particularly on message boards, which are incidentally pure shit.  We see comments like, I really love the album but I’d love it more if it was on No Idea rather than Sire.  Who f***in’ cares man?!  The perception of being signed to a major label is blatant ignorance.  It’s a huge company yes but we own the decision to move to that, like the decision to record with Butch Vig.  For us it was a golden opportunity and he’s the nicest guy in the world who can get the craziest sounds, so of course we’re gunna go for it.  We’ll catch shit for it but I’d rather catch shit than have regrets.  Its life and you gotta grab the opportunities when you can.”

 

Not ones to fly in the face of public opinion, the opportunity of working with producer Butch Vig (Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins), would temp any ambitious act these days.  “We signed before we got a list of producers.  Butch called us and came to see us live and then, it was the easiest decision ever.  People don’t realise how nice he is, a true gentleman, just a mid west farmers son.” 

 

It would prove the perfect marriage of experience and energetic creativity.  The results; a barnstorming collection of punk rock masterpieces littered with gang-vocal thrusts, ‘New Wave’ has just been unleashed to critical acclaim.  A riot of riffs and imperialistic anthems all frayed and furious, sweetened by Vigs midas touch, it dazzles in comparison to the crackled and scrappy DIY brio of the earlier LPs.  As Seward testifies, they had to do things differently this time around.  “We spent 3 months on this latest record which is a really long time for us, but it was the quickest record Butch has made in 10 years.  We were in the middle of Hollywood just bangin’ it out and it was all very patient and meticulous, working from noon to midnight every week and just taking of Mondays for sleep.  Surprisingly we didn’t get in one fight which is outstanding”.

 

As the interview begins to close its obvious Seward and his compadres love their chosen profession, are proud of their past and excited about their future.  One thing that’s clear is that this collective are leaders rather than followers, they take no paths but go where others fear to tread and leave a trail.  It can only mean an unpredictable and unconventional rollercoaster; we recommend you hang on for the ride.